Re: [-empyre-] Re: Poetics of DNA II



it is a poetics in so far as it shows the use of metaphor and narrative both as compensatory and strategic. And, believe it or not, the word "representation" has absolutely no currency and in fact is widely misunderstood and often rejected as useless. And finally, presses are notorious about catchy titles. I have had to change every book title I have ever proposed. The original title for this book was "Encoding the Code,." So yes, in a way, this book enacts the same careless disregard for meaning as everything else, though part of its point is that representation is usually a shot in the dark anyway which usually doesn't make any difference, but which does reflect anxieties, and compensates and does some other cultural work that has little to do with the science except in so far as scientists start looking for "gay" genes, for example, which is incredibly silly, since in the first place, they are not defining that phenomenon before they start and it is complex and different from individual to individual and apparently lesbians don't count at all, etc. Ruth Hubbard poo-poo'ed that long ago and no one listened. Why? Because the social anxiety around gayness (which isn't about gayness at all or even DNA or genes) defines the silly direction of this "research", not any scientific logic that would suggest that finding genes for complex behaviors is imperative.

Finally, it is probably better not to guess about a book and its method until you read it. It doesn't equate conventional usage with naming at all. Instead it shows the ways any metaphor imports ways of thinking linked to more complex processes. How, for example, using the figure of the homunculous imports entire narratives of willful agency into genetic "behavior" as an alternative account for how genes work. This is a poetics in the large sense that it analyzes the deployment of such figures as persistent mythologies in the Barthesian sense of the word..

But, gee, read the book, then worry about poetics.

Cheers,

Judith
On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:51 PM, dean wilson wrote:

Cultural Object or Displaced Site, whatever you want to call it is
fine with me. The question I'm asking is Why Poetics? and not
Representation? The book seems to make big leaps across rhetorical
channels and prove misinterpretations of Code, the non-status of
ethics, the fakery of Neoplatonism. That's interesting, but is it
Poetics?

My guess is that the book equates conventional usage with a highly
generalized process of naming something and rejects the name, the
process and the illusory cultural object because it is a useful form
of resistance for a larger thematic and rhetorical project. But I
don't see how this would be a Poetics and would really like to better
understand the title of this book.

There was, come to think of it, a band in New York named DNA, led by
Arto Lindsey, in the early 1980s. Is this a tribute to Arto? Dean



On 10/17/07, Judith Roof <roof12@comcast.net> wrote:
Actually that was the original title--how did you know?

But more to the point.  Two things:

First, DNA as it exists as a cultural object, is a code only in so
far as it operates as a displaced site for other signifiers.
Whatever the signifier DNA refers to, it is not whatever processes
scramble on the level of the molecular.  So any time one wants to dub
DNA a code, no matter how that signifier is defined, it still drags
in all the other baggage. In so far as any signifier would do this,
the impasse is how to use language, since the ideology-free is, I
would submit, impossible.  But so what?

Second, I am intrigued by the shift (which occurs systematically in
many academic sites) from discussions of representation as if that
practice is somehow not material, immaterial, idealistic, or some
other frou frou thing into the ballsy, gutsy environment of "Ethics,"
an equally ideological realm whose delusory occupation at the top of
the intellectual food chain (at least in current practice) represents
in some ways the driving need to make such conversations useful in an
ideology that understands material as those things which may have
material effects on the world.  Are we really talking about ethics?
because if we were, the first question would be the should's and
should nots of representing at all, which if answered in the negative
would forestall the rest of ethical conversations before they
started.  My question is what the connection is between
representation which must be misunderstood, discarded, and
minimalized on a regular basis and the drive towards making policy,
considering policy, deciding what is right and wrong.  It is as if
this ethical imperative wants to secure the slippery unstableness of
the still-platonic fakery of the word through some gesture of
philosophy.

Ah--and the cover whose discourse, is, as is always the case with
publishers--marketing, marketing, marketing.  I wanted my name to go
on top of the monkey.

Judith
On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:14 AM, dean wilson wrote:

Observing this thread and hoping it doesn't go away soon I can really
appreciate the many directions Judith's ideas have taken the posts.
Sadly, I won't be able to get her book for a while since I'm in
Vietnam. Oh, I'm sorry, that would be an obsolete empirical
hypothesis, forgive me. In terms of the discussion process and the
topic at hand, however, Eugene is clearly the heaviest of the hitters
for my dosh, and I think that's because he seems ironically less
inclined to the resistance literature mode, which is not an easy thing
to do with this topic, it's so rife with quandaries. Did you notice
how I just avoided some untenable euphemisms? With all the talk of
Aristotle and the like, though, why not take up the cover of Judith's
book on its face value. If the straw men were put to rest for a while
and the unmusical manipulative functions of acronym usage were the
subject of discussion, I would say that the book and the analysis of
the book, along with reflections on the sorry lot of beings subjected
to extravagant alterations of life on earth without their informed
consent fall under the category of Rhetoric. But who am I to suppose
that a difference between the poetic arts and the persuasive arts
might be interesting when thinking about scientific instruments? What
is a particle accelerator if not a song and dance? I would be most
grateful for a brief explanation of this word choice. Since along with
empiricism, humanism, habeas corpus, hypothesis, ideology, and pretty
much the kitchen sink, homonyms and synonyms are also toast, why not
just call the book "The toe cheese of everything you cherished about
guns?" I get the feeling that what is being resisted is a
consciousness that names things, but when it tries to name itself it
devolves into a kind of tabula rasa or what Eugene might call
noumenon. Dean



On 10/10/07, Eugene Thacker <eugene.thacker@lcc.gatech.edu> wrote:
Well, what I had in mind w/ the idealism-empiricism reference was
the way that
the concept of a genetic code seems to suture together two
different, though not
incommensurate, ideas:

- On the one hand, the discourse of information seems to imply
immaterial form.
I think this is demonstrable historically (e.g. Crick et al.'s
appropriation of
'information' from Shannon's information theory definition), but I
think it
still, even today, pervades colloquial language about code.
- On the other hand, what is being talked about is not just
abstract code, but
the notion of a biological-material entity *as a code in itself*.
Yes, there are
instances in which DNA is 'represented' as code (for instance, the
genome as a
string of bits in a database), but this itself is made possible by
what I would
argue is actually a non-representational concept of a genetic
code. Or, at
least, there's a great deal of fuzziness in the 1950s/60s when
'the coding
problem' was being sorted out. Protein codes are a good example,
since it is
their hypercomplex surface structure that enables them to 'stick.'

So in a certain sense - and I think this is a bit reductive, but
oh well... -
the concept of a genetic code raises the old split between form
and matter. If
DNA is the wet, gooey, 'stuff of life' then how can it be a dry,
abstract,
immaterial number? On the one hand there is the code as a string
of units (A, T,
C, G...), but the sequence and seriality of this code is indelibly
linked to
material and physical processes in the cell (replication of DNA,
transcription/
translation of RNA, cellular metabolism). Jacob points this out in
'The Logic of
Life.' DNA is quite Aristotelian. What the life principle or
'psukhe' as form is
for Aristotle, DNA as in-form-ation is for molecular biology. The
hylomorphism
of the genetic code is less about what the code 'says' than what
it does.

Now, there are, of course, plenty of counter-discourses which
resist the notion
of information-as-immaterial (e.g. media ecology, phenomenology-
based media
studies, 'the materiality of the medium'). But when we talk about
the genetic
code, to me the specificity of this is different from generally
talking about
'bodies in code' or any cyber-stuff... If one wanted to think
about an
informatic materialism, or a physical code, this seems like an
interesting area
in which to look. A researcher can look up a particular DNA
sequence via an
online database. Using an oligonucleotide synthesizer, that person
can
materialize that sequence in a test tube. That same sequence can
then be
inserted into a bacterium (a plasmid  'library') for further
research.
Hypothetically the reverse direction is possible too (e.g. the
process of
extracting code). So there's the 'code' as a string of bits that
appears to
exist across material substrates (database, test tube, organism).
But, of
course, it isn't the same in each instance, for each of the media
- or biomedia
- bring with them different sets of constraints (e.g. data mining
in the
database, PCR for the test tube DNA, genetic recombination or
mutation in the
bacterium). It's this 'same/not-same' ambiguity that's interesting
to me, and I
think it's also related, even if distantly, to the Aristotelian
problem of form/
matter. And it gets even more complicated with emerging fields
like DNA
computing....

-Eugene





Quoting "sdv@krokodile.co.uk" <sdv@krokodile.co.uk>:

 eugene,

 Could you explain why the concept of DNA-as-code forecloses
idealism or
 empiricism ? It  may be that you are assuming that the following
 sentences referring to the noetic and the noumenal are precisely
why you
 believe this... but still I would like to be sure that these
comments
 preceded as they are by DNA-as-code threatening to liquidate the
thing
 itself, are more explainable.



One option is to think about what the overall representational notion of
DNA-as-
code doesn't allow; what does it foreclose to thought? Well, it
certainly
seems
to foreclose either straight-up idealism or empiricism. These
options seem
absurd, ridiculous. And maybe, for this reason, interesting. DNA-
as-code is
purely noetic (and thus, in a way, equal to thought) or DNA-as-
code is
purely
material (and thus part of a noumenal, inaccessible world "out
there")...

-Eugene

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